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		<title>Equal Parts Criticism and Praise?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the comments section of my post on How to Critique Other Writers&#8217; Work, a debate ensues. When using the sandwich approach (two slices of positive feedback with a glob of criticism in the middle), do the positive and critical parts of your sandwich need to be equal? If a manuscript needs a lot of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the comments section of my post on How to Critique Other Writers&#8217; Work, <A HREF="http://meghanward.com/blog/2010/07/21/how-to-critique-other-writers-work/comment-page-1/#comment-2423">a debate ensues</A>. When using the sandwich approach (two slices of positive feedback with a glob of criticism in the middle), do the positive and critical parts of your sandwich need to be equal? If a manuscript needs a lot of work, is it still important to give it as much praise as criticism? If a piece is ready to publish, should you still give it as much criticism as praise? If you answer &#8220;No,&#8221; please explain in comments. Thanks for participating!</p>
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		<title>How to Critique Other Writers&#8217; Work</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Meghan Ward</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A post by my friend Sierra about her toxic critique group inspired me to remind people how to give critiques of other writers&#8217; work in a writers&#8217; group or workshop.</p> <p>The sandwich method always works best: Start by saying something positive, followed by your constructive criticism, and then end with another positive comment. The reason [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A post by my friend Sierra about her <A HREF="http://sierragodfrey.blogspot.com/2010/07/toxic-critique-groups.html">toxic critique group</A> inspired me to remind people how to give critiques of other writers&#8217; work in a writers&#8217; group or workshop.</p>
<p>The sandwich method always works best: Start by saying something positive, followed by your constructive criticism, and then end with another positive comment. The reason for this? It&#8217;s important to give the writer something she can work with (&#8220;I found myself losing interest at the bottom of page 3&#8243;) without making her want to give up writing altogether (&#8220;YA fantasy novels don&#8217;t really interest me.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Writing groups and workshops take on different formats. Typically, a group of people (anywhere from 3 to 12) agrees to meet every week or two at which time they will critique a chosen number of works—usually two or three for a 2-3-hour meeting. The works are handed out a week beforehand (either in person or by e-mail), giving the readers a week to read (preferably twice, once straight through and once while marking up the ms) the works. </p>
<p>The night of the meeting, the format could go a couple of different ways. </p>
<p>In my former writers&#8217; group, there were about six people, and we met every other week. We worked in a circle, taking turns giving our verbal critiques while all the other writers, including the writer being critiqued, remained silent. After everyone had spoken, the writer being critiqued could comment and/or ask questions. The reason for the writer being silent during the critique is that writers tend to get defensive about their work and want to explain why they did this or that. The point of a critique, however, is not for you to defend the choices you&#8217;ve made, it&#8217;s for you to hear the opinions of others and then decide whether or NOT to take their advice. The more experienced the writer, the better she is at distinguishing which advice to take and which not to take. A good rule is that if several people agree about something, you should probably take the advice seriously. That does NOT mean they are right (40,000 Frenchmen can&#8217;t be wrong, but five writers can be). At the end of the verbal critiques, we all handed over our written critiques, some a couple sentences written in chicken scratch and others a one- to two-page typed analysis of the plot and characters. That was left to personal choice.</p>
<p>In my MFA program, we had twelve people in a workshop and we met every week. Rather than work in a circle, however, everyone just jumped in when she had something to say, everyone but the writer being critiqued, who remained silent. This format allowed for back and forth discussion: &#8220;I loved the scene in chapter one when the protagonist knifed her boyfriend in the neck,&#8221; &#8220;I totally disagree, I found the violence in that scene gratuitous,&#8221; etc. Some of my professors (but unfortunately not all) required that we start with the positive aspects of the manuscript, which was great until ONE person said something negative. Then suddenly the floodgates opened and everyone pounced on the opportunity to give negative critiques. Why? Because it&#8217;s SO much easier to give negative critiques than positive ones. SO MUCH EASIER. Whether a piece is magnificent or terrible, the flaws tend to be glaring. It&#8217;s much more difficult to articulate what works about a piece than what doesn&#8217;t. SO, the minute someone says that first negative critique, it&#8217;s all over. The writer is lucky if someone throws her a positive comment at the end. Once the pack of hungry dogs have been corralled back into their den, leaving the writer to lick her wounds, written critiques are handed over, this time with a minimum one-page, preferably typed, critique. (A copy of the critique goes to the teacher and counts toward the critiquing student&#8217;s grade, so they&#8217;re usually fairly thorough.)</p>
<p>Whether in a group/workshop with format one or format two, it&#8217;s important to leave the writer with some positive feedback to take home. I knew one woman who, while being critiqued, marked a check for every time she heard a positive or a negative comment. Her &#8220;negative&#8221; column was four times as long as her &#8220;positive&#8221; column, and it had nothing to do with her writing. (By the way, I DON&#8217;T recommend this practice. It&#8217;s terribly destructive to your self-esteem.) </p>
<p>The job of a critiquer is not to decide whether the writer should give up writing, and not to tell the person what she should write. It&#8217;s not her job to REwrite any portion of the person&#8217;s work either (not even sentences or phrases). It&#8217;s simply to tell the writer what works, what doesn&#8217;t, and what are some suggestions for improving the manuscript. If a person doesn&#8217;t like the genre at all, that person has to 1) Critique the piece as objectively as possible 2) Consider moving into a writer&#8217;s group that includes only the genre she does like. For example, if everyone in your group is writing sci-fi and you&#8217;re a literary fiction writer, maybe you need to change groups. If not, you&#8217;d better learn to critique sci-fi without being biased toward the genre. </p>
<p>What about you? What experiences (good or bad) have you had with writers&#8217; groups? What did you learn from those experiences?</p>
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		<title>Author Interview: Julia Scheeres</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p></p> <p> Julia Scheeres is the author of the New York Times Bestseller Jesus Land, published in 2006. Today she is working on a book titled Jonestown, due out in 2011.</p> <p>(Jonestown was a utopian community formed by Americans in Guyana, South America, under the leadership of a Bay Area preacher named Jim Jones. On [...]]]></description>
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<p><A HREF="http://www.juliascheeres.com"> Julia Scheeres </A> is the author of the New York Times Bestseller <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Land-Memoir-Julia-Scheeres/dp/1582433542"> <em>Jesus Land</em></A>, published in 2006. Today she is working on a book titled <em>Jonestown</em>, due out in 2011.</p>
<p>(Jonestown was a utopian community formed by Americans in Guyana, South America, under the leadership of a Bay Area preacher named Jim Jones. On November 18, 1978, 913 of Jones followers died in a mass murder/suicide by drinking a cyanide-laced punch. <em>Jonestown</em> will explore what happened during Jonestown&#8217;s last year as Jones became more drug-addled and paranoid, his followers became more disgruntled, and the Socialist utopia they attempted to create deteriorated.)</p>
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How did you get interested in writing about Jonestown?</strong></p>
<p>I was working on a novel about a fundamentalist minister, a charismatic preacher, who takes over a small Indiana town, and then I remembered that Jim Jones was a charismatic preacher from Indiana, so I Googled him as part of my research and found out that the FBI had just released all these documents. Then my journalist side kicked in, and I knew I could sell the project because no one had written a book about the documents before. They included 50,000 pages of diaries, letters that were never sent home, crop reports, meeting notes and suicide notes that they picked up off the ground in Jonestown after the massacre. The FBI held onto them until they were sued to release them under FOIA (the Freedom of Information Act). The problem was they released them on three CDs but without an index. So a letter might start on page 235 and end on page 687. It took someone working at San Diego State University about ten years to put them in order. He had completed the index not long before that, so I got the index from him. </p>
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Last year, you went to Guyana to visit Jonestown. What was it like?</strong></p>
<p>There’s nothing there now except for the rusted-out carcasses of a few vehicles. You look at the pictures of Jonestown, and they built this town in the middle of the jungle, with cottages and kitchens and wood shops. It was a town. Now it’s just a big field that the jungle has mostly reclaimed.</p>
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How did it feel being in Jonestown?</strong></p>
<p>I almost passed out from the heat. I can’t imagine in Jonestown there were people working from six in the morning until six at night, doing agricultural work. After being in the sun for fifteen minutes, I swooned. I thought I would feel more since 913 people died on the place I was standing, but the grassy field that’s there today is so incongruous with the magazine pictures of the bodies piled up.</p>
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What happened to Jonestown after the mass suicide?</strong></p>
<p>It burned down after people left. The locals are really poor, so they carried away the pieces of the corrugated metal roofs and anything else they could potentially use. </p>
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What is the most surprising thing you’ve learned about Jonestown doing your research?</strong></p>
<p>The extent of the lies that Jones told the people to goad them toward committing mass murder/suicide is the most troubling. A third of the people were children, a third were seniors, and all of them were lied to to some degree about what was going on. They were told that they were surrounded by mercenaries who were going to torture and kill them. It was a lie. There were no mercenaries in the jungle. </p>
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What is your process for paring down so much information?</strong></p>
<p>It took me a year to read through the FBI materials and organize them and decide what the story was going to be and which characters I was going to follow. I’m mostly interested in the people who got to Jonestown than in Jim Jones himself. I am basically following five people, some who live and some who die. Thanks to my training as a journalist, I know how to do research and track people down, to organize massive amounts of material, to write tightly and to tell a true story.</p>
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How has writing Jonestown differed from your experience writing <em>Jesus Land</em>?</strong></p>
<p>It’s a lot easier in that I have no personal involvement in this story. It’s also been a thousand times more complicated because I had to do such a massive amount of research, reading through 50,000 pages of documents, tracking down the survivors and talking to them. <em>Jesus Land</em> was very personal, and this does have some personal elements. Jim Jones&#8217; church was supposedly socialist, all about equality, eradicating the isms—racism and sexism, elitism and classicism. They were going to banish all of that and be truly equal. The race element was huge. If you’ve ever been to Glide in San Francisco, there are blacks and whites worshipping together, and you never see that (anywhere else). Having had black brothers, we were always longing for acceptance, a place to fit in. The Peoples Temple was a place where blacks and whites lived and worshipped together.</p>
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Looking back on your career, is there anything you would do differently? Any advice you have for nonfiction writers who are just getting started?</strong></p>
<p>It’s really difficult to balance all aspects of motherhood and career. I feel like I’m doing a good job at both, but my goal is to stay really focused and when I’m at work. And I’m a big fan of setting writing goals. Even if I don’t meet them, as long as I give it my best shot to meet those goals, I feel better about myself. Otherwise the project seems really overwhelming. It’s easy to be mediocre, and to make your living as a writer, you have to go to the extra mile. One thing I do when I’m writing is use those ear protectors to filter out any outside sensation so I can really hear my writing as I’m writing it, and it works. It looks crazy, but it really works. So I’m not interrupted by horns honking on the street and people talking in the other offices. I just have this uninterrupted thought process.</p>
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What is your work day like?</strong></p>
<p>Sometimes I’m researching, and sometimes I’m writing, but when I’m at the Grotto, I get there at 10 and leave at 5. I never leave the building. I always bring my lunch and spend 30-45 minutes eating with everyone else and then return to my office. It’s not an ideal situation, but I’m working on a book deadline. </p>
<p><strong><br />
<em>Jesus Land</em> was published by Counterpoint, an independent publishing house. <em>Jonestown</em> will be published by Free Press, an imprint of Simon &#038; Schuster. How has your experience varied working with two very different types of publishing houses?</strong></p>
<p>At Counterpoint, I got paid a lot less for the book, but I knew everyone from the sales team to the promotions department to the other editors. It was kind of like a small family, which was great and really warm. I know from my initial dealings with Free Press that they&#8217;re too big to coddle me like that. My editor has too much on his plate, too many authors. Both types of houses have their pluses and minuses. I&#8217;m just happy to get published at all!</p>
<p><strong><br />
Do you feel a strong connection to your editor?</strong></p>
<p>I’ve never met my editor. When I sold my first book, I flew myself out to New York to meet my editor. I probably blew a twentieth of my advance on that silly trip, but it was worth it. I met everyone, and they were all nice. Then you have this personal connection so when it comes to publication time, if you have a problem, they all know you. I’ve never met my agent either. I will at some point fly out to New York and meet them.</p>
<p><strong><br />
Do you have advice for a writer looking for an agent? </strong></p>
<p>My best advice is to see who is representing writers you love or who is writing in similar genres. Chances are the agent likes a particular genre or subgenre and will be interested in looking at your stuff if it fits that genre. I think the best thing is to do something to get your work recognized, to get excerpts of your book published or to win an award. New York publishers are all so timid to take any chances, but if you win an award or get your stuff published in a journal or a magazine, then slowly the attention starts to snowball, from what I&#8217;ve heard. </p>
<p><strong><br />
When you were working on <em>Jesus Land</em>, you attended the Squaw Valley writers’ conference and then joined a writing group. Were they helpful? What is your feeling about writing groups and conferences?  </strong></p>
<p>The writing group was the best thing I got out of Squaw. Squaw was okay, but the writing group was the best benefit. Having writing goals and getting feedback was really valuable. If you can find a couple of people in a writing group whose critiques are helpful, then it’s good. A lot of times there are people who don’t get what you’re doing or hate what you’re doing, but you need to find two or three people whose opinions you trust and disregard the others. </p>
<p><strong><br />
You are a member of the San Francisco Writers’ Grotto. What are the benefits of working alongside other writers?</strong></p>
<p>Commiseration. Writing is such a lonely activity, that it’s such a great thing to have someone to eat lunch with and to have someone to talk to during the day besides your spouse. Plus there are no reminders of home. It’s all about work, which is mentally helpful. </p>
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How have the downturn in the economy and the publishing industry in particular, and the growing popularity of e-readers, affected your life as a writer?</strong></p>
<p>I needed an additional six months to finish my Jonestown book and was told by my publisher that it was probably just as well because books aren’t selling right now.</p>
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With bookstores closing and e-readers selling like hotcakes for the holiday season, what do you see in the future of publishing?</strong></p>
<p>Writers will always need agents and editors to shape and promote their work, so I don&#8217;t see those factors disappearing. As far as e-readers, I&#8217;m somewhat of a Luddite. I have no interest in getting one. I&#8217;m tactile, I like to read in bed and can&#8217;t imagine curling up with a stiff piece of plastic. And I&#8217;m an incurable underliner—I take a pencil to most books I read to underline inspiring phrases or passages. Also, what about folks who can&#8217;t afford such gadgets?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A note on writing groups and workshops. My work has been workshopped at least a hundred times. I&#8217;ve been in a writing group on and off since 2002, I earned an MFA in 2006, and I attended the Squaw Valley Writers&#8217; Conference in 2007—all which used the traditional workshop format of critiquing manuscripts with slight [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A note on writing groups and workshops. My work has been workshopped at least a hundred times. I&#8217;ve been in a writing group on and off since 2002, I earned an MFA in 2006, and I attended the Squaw Valley Writers&#8217; Conference in 2007—all which used the traditional workshop format of critiquing manuscripts with slight variations. The workshop generally works like this: </p>
<p>There are 8-12 people in the group. A select number of those—usually two or three people—submit their work for critique a week in advance of the workshop. The others read the manuscripts, preferably twice, marking it up on the second read. The writer may have asked for specific feedback, like, &#8220;Is the narrator reliable?&#8221; &#8220;Does the flashback in chapter two work?&#8221; or &#8220;This is a first draft, so no need for line editing.&#8221; If the writer doesn&#8217;t request specific feedback, the reader may or may not do line edits in addition to critiquing the structure, pace, characterization, etc. of the piece. The reader may or may not type or write up her critique for the writer.</p>
<p>The day of the workshop, a couple different things could happen. In my writers group, we do it like this: Whoever is the first person to be critiqued, the person to his left gives her critique first. Then we go around the table, each reader giving her critique, without the writer defending himself or asking any questions. Once everyone is finished, the writer has the opportunity to speak. In my MFA workshops and at Squaw, rather than going around the table, everyone just jumps in at any time to offer critiques. There are advantages and disadvantages to this format. The advantage is that one person&#8217;s comment may spark comments from the others that they wouldn&#8217;t have thought of on their own. This way they can just jump in and talk when they have something to say. The disadvantages are a) some people do all the talking while others hardly speak b) the conversation very quickly devolves into negative critiquing. A good workshop leader will encourage readers to give positive feedback first, because it&#8217;s so much easier to spot what&#8217;s wrong with a story than what&#8217;s right with it, and it can be damaging to the writer to hear only negative critiques. But I&#8217;ve noticed that once the first person says a negative comment, the whole group starts jumping in with their negative comments and it&#8217;s very difficult to turn it around again. </p>
<p>A few suggestions for giving and receiving feedback (oral or written) on a manuscript:</p>
<p>1. Give positive feedback first. Point out what&#8217;s working in the story.</p>
<p>2. Don&#8217;t over critique. Don&#8217;t deconstruct every paragraph of the story, marking up every line.  Too much red ink will make the writer want to chuck the story or, worse yet, give up writing. Your job is to encourage, not discourage.</p>
<p>3. Don&#8217;t rewrite a person&#8217;s work. How YOU would write the story may not be how the writer wants to write it. Put your personal taste aside, and try to view the manuscript the way the writer envisions it.</p>
<p>3. Don&#8217;t line edit if the person doesn&#8217;t want you to. If the piece is a final draft that&#8217;s so polished there isn&#8217;t much to do besides line edit, or if there are glaring typos and grammatical mistakes that you can&#8217;t resist marking, go ahead and line edit. But if it&#8217;s a first draft with all kinds of structural and other problems, dozens of line edits will overwhelm the writer, and you may be wasting your time editing passages that will get deleted or revised anyway.</p>
<p>4. Tell the writer what he/she can do to improve the piece. Don&#8217;t just tell him/her what&#8217;s wrong with it. Don&#8217;t present problems without some solutions.</p>
<p>5. If you&#8217;re receiving feedback, shut up! Don&#8217;t defend your choices, don&#8217;t argue with the person critiquing your work, and hold your questions until everyone has finished speaking. Then ask away, explain if you must, but still, please, refrain from defending.</p>
<p>6. Don&#8217;t rush home and make every change to your manuscript that every person suggested. There have been numerous times when I&#8217;ve revised a chapter based on critiques, resubmitted that chapter, and been told that the earlier version was better. ARGH! Once this happens a few times, you&#8217;ll learn not to listen to what everyone says. When you&#8217;re a beginning writer, and new to workshops, it&#8217;s hard not to take every comment to heart, but you&#8217;ll eventually learn that your choices aren&#8217;t necessarily any worse than anyone else&#8217;s, and that you know your story and your characters better than anyone else. If three or more people give me the same feedback, though, I usually listen. </p>
<p>Have you been in a writing workshop or group? What has your experience been?</p>
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